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Libya and Binders Full of Women: Missouri Patch Panelists Weigh In On 2nd Presidential Debate

We asked our Red Arch and Blue Arch insiders about who won the Presidential debate between Barack Obama and Mitt Romney and to identify highlights to attract base support and swing voters.

After the majority of both sides agreed that Mitt Romney won the first Presidential debate with Barack Obama, a flash poll of Patch's political insiders in both parties in Missouri returned to their partisan corners following Tuesday's Town Hall-style gathering in Long Island.

Patch conducted a flash poll starting late Tuesday night as part of the Red Arch/Blue Arch series of surveys taking the pulse of political thought leaders heading up to the November election. Responses came from 14 Republicans and 16 Democrats.

Of Republicans, 9 felt Mitt Romney won by a slim margin, 1 said it was by a wide margin, 3 were neutral and 1 participant had no opinion.

Barack Obama won by a wide margin according to 10 respondents, 5 felt it was a slim margin and 1 response was neutral.

We asked our panel to identify moments that would resonate with their base as well as with swing voters in Missouri. Here's what they said:

What moment stood out to Conservatives In Missouri?

"Benghazi rose garden lie"

"Mr. Romney's long list of administration economic failures during the last 3 1/2 years."

"Obama was asked a question on Fast and Furious and gives an answer on Education"

"Romney's strong stance on Libya"

"The lying of Obama re the Bengazi embassy attack"

 

What moment will stand out in the mind of liberals and progressives in Missouri?

"Lybia smackdown"

"My retirement isn't as big as yours"

"Romney referring to his 'binder of women"

"equal pay"

"When the President said Romney's claim that he used the death of our ambassador for political gain was offensive."

What moment Republicans felt will stand out in the mind of swing voters in Missouri?

"Obama's failure to put forward any plan to create jobs and lower energy prices"

"Romney's explanation of his tax plan. He did a great job of simplifying it and relating."

"The 'binders of women' comment"

"When the President called Mitt Romney 'offensive.'"

The Obama flash of anger about the suggestion by Mr. Romney that anyone in the administration lied about Libya.

 

What moment Democrats felt will stand out in the mind of swing voters in Missouri?

"Closing 47% smackdown on Romney."

"My retirement isn't as big as yours"

"Romney being fact checked by the moderator."

"That Romney won't give facts as to how he will do what he proposes"

"Mr. Romney treated the moderator like hired help"

 

The Red Arch/Blue Arch Survey 

Patch political surveys are not a scientific random sample of any larger population, but rather an effort to listen to a swath of influential local Republican and Democratic activists, party leaders and elected officials in Missouri. All of these individuals have agreed to participate in the surveys, although not all responded to this week's questions. Interviews for this poll were conducted October 16-17. 

Patch will be conducting Red Arch and Blue Arch surveys throughout 2012 in hopes of determining the true sentiment of conservatives, liberals and moderates on the ground in Missouri.

If you are an activist, party leader or elected official and would like to take part in a bi-weekly survey that lasts just a few minutes, please email Gregg.Palermo@patch.com.

 

The Red Arch Roster:

Ruth Springer (former Olivette Mayor), Frederic Steinbach (former Chesterfield Mayor), Randy Jotte (Candidate for Congress), Katy Forand (Gravois Township Committeewoman) Scott Rupp (State Senator/Secretary of State Candidate), Rick Stokes (Wentzville Alderman/State Rep. Candidate), Charlie Hinderliter (State Legislative campaign manager), Mark Parkinson (State Rep.), Chrissy Sommer (State Rep.), Jon Bennett (St. Charles Township Committeeman), Eugene Dokes (Chairman of St. Charles County Republican Central Committee), Chuck Gross (former State Senator), Cheryl Bates (St. Charles Young Republicans President), Penny Henke (St. Charles County Republican Central Committeewoman), Joe Cronin (St. Charles County Council), Terry Hollander (St. Charles County Council), Mike Nunnery (Republican voter), Jim Pepper (O'Fallon City Council), David Blanke (Lewis & Clark Republican Township Committeeman), Robyn Hamlin (Candidate for Congress), Don Bickowski (Jefferson County Council member), Linda Van De Riet (Jefferson County Republican Central Committee member), Renee Reuter (Jefferson County Council Member), D.J. Cully (Jefferson County Council candidate), Roy W. Sims (High Ridge Township Republican committeeman candidate), Celeste Witzel (GOP Committeewoman for the Oakville Township), Alan Leaderbrand (GOP Committeeman for the Lemay Township), Kourtney Lamb (President of the Brentwood Young Republicans), Dennis Broadbooks , (Wild Horse Township), Eileen Tyrrell (Meramec Township Member), Judy Hon (Chesterfield Township Committeewoman), Anne Gassel (Wild Horse Township Committeewoman), Chris Howard (Lafayette Township Committeeman/Convention Delegate), Kevin Rejent (Election Attorney), Richard C. Rowe (Republican voter), Rekha Sharma (State Rep. Candidate), Darin Morley (Reboot Congress blogger), Mark Zinn (GOP Consultant), Cynthia Davis (candidate for Lt. Governor), Sue Allen (State Rep.), Claire Chosid (Republican voter), John Diehl (State Rep.), Lee Presser (blogger/tv host), Gabe Jones (Attorney General candidate Ed Martin's Communications Director), Carl Bearden (Former State Rep/Exec. Dir. United for Missouri), Michael Morton (Regional Political Director/Ann Wagner campaign), Christopher Brooks (Candidate For County Central Committee), Marsha Haefner (State Rep.), Cloria Brown (State Rep.), Philip Scherry (Rock Hill Alderman), Derek Michael Spencer (Regional Political Director/Brad Lager For Lt. Gov.), Brian Spencer (State Rep. candidate), Catherine Dreher (Candidate for Committeewoman candidate), Annette Read (Candidate, Missouri River Township GOP Committeewoman), Chris Gard (State Rep. candidate), Anthony Pousosa (St. Louis County Council candidate), Kit Crancer (Chief of Staff, State Senator Jane Cunningham), Cole McNary (Candidate for State Treasurer), Michael Burr (Creve Coeur Township Committee Candidate), Maria Burr (Creve Coeur Township Committee Candidate), Bill Stouffer (Candidate for Secretary of State), Tyler Holyfield (State Rep. Candidate), David Wissler (Gravois Township Committee candidate), Pat Walker (Maryland Heights Township Committee candidate), Maggie Walker (Maryland Heights Township Committee candidate), Scott Pinkham (Boone Township Committee candidate), Teresa Douglas (Lemay Township committee candidate), Larry McGowen (Wildwood City Council), Marc Perez (former State Rep. candidate), Arthur Merdinian (Mayor of Olivette), Walt Young (Former Ballwin Mayor), Bryan Koen (Florissant Township Committeeman), Mark Harder  (Lafayette Township Committeeman, Ballwin Alderman, Pres. Lafayette Twp Republicans.)

 

The Blue Arch Roster: Jake Zimmerman (St. Louis County Assessor), Bert Boxerman (Creve Coeur Township Committeeman), Tracy McCreery (State Representative), Jeanne Antoine (Olivette City Council), Missy Waldman (Olivette City Council), Richard Callow (PR Strategist), John Callahan (Committeeman for St. Charles County Township), Julie Biermann (Committeewoman for St. Charles County Township), Charissa Mayes (Committeewoman for St. Charles County Township), Jerry Daugherty (St. Charles County Councilman), Keith English (Florissant City Councilman/State Rep. candidate), Mary Elizabeth Dorsey (Florissant Township Committeewoman), Chuck Banks (Former Jefferson County Executive), Jo Ann Karll (DNC Convention delegate), Mary Broida (Fenton Committeewoman), Bob Usher (Voter), Tammy Vent (Rock Township Committeewoman), LaDonna Appelbaum (Convention Delegate), Timothy Green (State Senator), Gina Mitten (Richmond Heights Councilmember/State Rep. Candidate), Jill Schupp (State Representative), Jim Descher (Voter), Ken Curtis (West County Democrats Co-Chair), Steve Biggs (Meramec Township Committeeman), John Niemeyer (Meramec Township), Jim Frain  (Voter), Julie Dougherty (Voter), Linda Robson (Voter), Jim McHugh (Aide to former St. Louis County Executive), Molly McHugh (St. Louis County Planning Commission), Bob Burns (Affton School Board), Mark Powell (Former Arnold Mayor), John Messmer (Former DNC alternative delegate), Karl Frank, Jr. (Former Mehlville School Board Member/Activist), Donna Seidel (activist), Tom Diehl (Former School Board Member/Activist), Jim Barrett (Activist), Harvey Ferdman (Maryland Heights Township 2nd VP), Rod Jennings (University City School Board Member), Jane Dueker (Former Assistant AG/Chief of Staff To Governor Bob Holden), Gina Walsh (State Senate Candidate), Morton Todd (St. Charles County Democratic Committee Chairman), Mary "Kate" Laughlin (Voter), Rod Hoffman (State Rep. Candidate), Beverly Cowling (Voter), Bill Stinson (State Rep.), Russ Craven (St. Charles County Democratic Central Committee), Theresa Borchert (Voter), Jim Karll (Voter), Jeff Wagener (Former St. Louis County Councilman), Pat Dolan (St. Louis County Council), Stacey Newman (State Representative), Cheryl Hibbeler (Former St. Charles County Council Representative), Deb Lavender (State Rep. Candidate), Kevin O'Malley (Fundraiser/Alternate Convention Delegate), Susan Meredith (State Rep. candidate), Susan Montee (Lt. Governor candidate), Bob Burns (State Rep. Candidate), Jim Karll (St. Charles County Democrats), Gloria Nickerson (Activist), Maureen Rogers-Bouxsein (Activist), Jo Ann Hughes (Activist)

Americaphile Freedom October 17, 2012 at 03:34 PM
THIS PROVES THAT THE GOP IS THE PERFECT PARTY FOR WOMEN!!!! http://americaphile.wordpress.com/2012/10/17/whole-binders-full-of-women/ THIS IS WHY WOMEN WHO ARE NOT LESBIANS ARE VOTING FOR THE ROMNEY/RYAN TICKET!!!! IN ADDITION TO WOMEN’S GROUPS, GOVERNOR ROMNEY HAS RECEIVED WISE COUNSEL FROM AMERICAPHILE MINISTRIES!!!! TODAY, REAL WOMEN SUCH AS SARAH PALIN AND CAROLE LOKAN-MOORE ARE NEEDED ON PRESIDENT ROMNEY’S CABINET TO CLEAN UP THE DEPARTMENTS OF STATE AND HOMELAND SECURITY RESPECTIVELY, AS BOTH HAVE BEEN MORPHED INTO NESTS OF LESBIANS, ENDANGERING AMERICA!!!!! ALSO, WE NEED ISLAMIC TERRORISM EXPERT AND RENOWNED AUTHOR, PAMELA GELLER TO LEAD THE PRESIDENTIAL TASK FORCE ON LEFTWING VIOLENCE AS A FULL CABINET MEMBER!!!!
Elizabeth October 17, 2012 at 04:42 PM
Caps lock = completely unnecessary.
Caffeinated October 17, 2012 at 04:52 PM
Oh, I don't know... the caps-lock goes well with the emphatic use of exclamation points. Plus, I'd like to hear more about the nests of lesbians endangering America. Sounds interesting.
Elizabeth October 17, 2012 at 04:53 PM
My take on the "binders of women" thing. A President should lead by example. Mitt Romney made a point to include plenty of women in his cabinet. President Obama, while he touts his support of fair pay, pays female staffers roughly 18% less than men. Additionally, even FactCheck.org admits that the $.77 per $1 figure used by the WH is not accurate.
RDBet October 17, 2012 at 04:55 PM
Romney sounds like he used right-wing propaganda websites like the above commentor and the tea party patriots. Their insta-conspiracy theories with Libya and fast and furious - cue the twilight-zone music. Really, it is unAmerican to armchair quarterback, before we have relevant facts and information -Tragic as these things are. Just because Townhall.com tells you what to think on Benghazi, does not make it true. Semantics - Video or act of terror -who really cares? Besides, Mittens friends voted to cut embassy protection. And they are ready to spend trillion more on defense (amp up new Cold War with Russia and China?) when clearly our foes are the random terrorists like 9-11 and Benghazi. By the way, Mideast has been chaos for centuries (milleniums perhaps.). I don't think Obama has flicked the needle on that. Ryan Romney seems to want to incite more protests and anger towards America - which is a very unAmerican thing to do. That binders full of women comment shows how lost Romney is. The Mormon women's place is in the home. I can't decide whether GOP stands fro Grand Old Plutocracy, or Grand Old Patriarchs.
RDBet October 17, 2012 at 05:10 PM
Har har. http://0.tqn.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/f/o/4/clinton-binder-of-women.jpg http://0.tqn.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/q/o/4/romney-binders-women-grandpa.jpg
Americaphile Freedom October 17, 2012 at 07:12 PM
THE CAUSE OF THE BENGHAZI DISASTER IS PLAIN TO SEE: A STATE DEPARTMENT IN COMPLETE DISARRAY AND DISTRACTED BY LESBIAN ORGIES IN FOGGY BOTTOM!!!! http://americaphile.wordpress.com/2012/09/17/state-departments-pride-agenga-tragically-backfires/ AS FAR AS GOVERNOR ROMNEY'S MORMONISM GOES, WE MUST CONTINUE TO WITNESS TO BOTH HIM AND CONGRESSMAN RYAN!!!: http://americaphile.wordpress.com/2012/09/01/mitt-paul-surrender-to-win/
Brandt Hardin October 17, 2012 at 07:53 PM
Romney is a rich pariah who simply can’t identify with ANY average American through his fog of lies, binders full of women and network of havened money. Smug comments only examplify his elitism and show how out of touch he is. It's time we tell Mitt he can’t buy this election! Read about the role of his money and his Magic Mormon Underwear are playing in the polls at http://dregstudiosart.blogspot.com/2012/05/mitt-romneys-magic-mormon-underwear.html
Rachel Walker October 17, 2012 at 07:53 PM
A fair point, Elizabeth. I see that more as an issue of women being underrepresented in Washington in general (the WH is no exception) and not necessarily a deliberate "screw you" to the women Obama has hired. When there are only 6 women in the top 20 earners on his payroll, their average salaries are bound to look smaller. But I also have to take seriously the fact that Romney said this last night: "I recognized that if you're going to have women in the workforce that sometimes you need to be more flexible. My chief of staff, for instance, had two kids that were still in school. She said, I can't be here until 7 or 8 o'clock at night. I need to be able to get home at 5 o'clock so I can be there for making dinner for my kids..." I'll give her the benefit of the doubt, but I *highly doubt* his chief of staff said that. I don't know many successful women who consider themselves "special needs" employees. That said, I'm more troubled by the way his example assumes that all women in the workforce have or are about to have children and that none of them will ever eat dinner unless a chick cooks it. It's that kind of garbage that's lead to disparity in income and mobility in the first place.
Caffeinated October 17, 2012 at 07:54 PM
" A STATE DEPARTMENT IN COMPLETE DISARRAY AND DISTRACTED BY LESBIAN ORGIES IN FOGGY BOTTOM!!!!" Pictures or it didn't happen.
Rachel Walker October 17, 2012 at 08:11 PM
Snort.
RegalT62 October 18, 2012 at 03:17 AM
Those are pictures we MUST see! LOL!
RegalT62 October 18, 2012 at 03:36 AM
I agree with your points, Rachel. When I heard Romney's response My first thought was "what an 80's response". I think it illustrates both his generational and Mormon religious beliefs in terms of the role of women - which are very traditional and out of date. He just seemed out of the loop - and the Binder of Women" comment has developed a life of its own! I liked Obama bringing up the role of reproductive control and the impact that makes on women's economic development. felt he did a good job of acknowledging the multitude of roles that women now hold.
not Carl Peterson lll October 18, 2012 at 04:39 AM
Brandt, Your are throwing an ad on patches all across the country. You can't asvertise in the comment section
Earl Higgins October 18, 2012 at 01:37 PM
Can't tell if Real-Life Human or Trolling Robot...
Elizabeth October 18, 2012 at 04:52 PM
Regal - what does reproductive control have to do with fair pay? Rachel - I disagree, I don't think anything Romney said implied that only women cook dinner or that all working women have children whom only they attend to. I hear a lot of women complain that the working world is harder on them because they need to be able to work their schedule around their home lives and here we have a candidate who makes a point of saying that employers need to be more flexible and you and Regal take issue with that as him being old-fashioned and out of touch? Granted he didn't answer the original question which was how would he control fair pay for women, but he did at least address an issue that is directly related....some employers see women as less reliable if they have children and therefore pay them less. He is saying that they shouldn't do that. I also find it curious that you justify the female staff pay in the President's team by saying basically, well its really a Washington -wide issue. Why don't you hold our President to the standards that you use to degrade Romney?
Elizabeth October 18, 2012 at 04:59 PM
Americaphile Freedom - You should probably seek counseling, and I mean that in the nicest way possible. When someone's posting results in me siding wholeheartedly with any of the following posters: Caffeinated, RDBet, Earl Higgins, or RegalT62, that's a pretty good sign that something is drastically amiss. Seriously, seek advice, the sooner the better.
Caffeinated October 18, 2012 at 05:18 PM
No worries, Elizabeth. We're on opposite sides yet again: I think Americaphile is AWESOME. I've got his/her blog ensconsed in my bookmarks and look forward to finding out more about the nests of lesbians threatening our land.
Americaphile Freedom October 18, 2012 at 05:45 PM
SO TRUE, CAFFEINATED!!!! SHARING THE TRUTH IS ALWAYS AWESOME!!!! AMERICAPHILE MINISTRIES PROVIDES NEWS PERSPECTIVE, ANALYSIS AND WISE COUNSEL THAT CAN BE FOUND NOWHERE ELSE!!!!! http://americaphile.wordpress.com/ SHARE THIS LINK WITH FRIENDS, LOVED-ONES, AND CO-WORKERS SO THAT THEY WILL NOT BE LEFT BEHIND TO SPEND THE REST OF THEIR LIVES... AND ALL OF ETERNITY... WITH PIAPS!!!
Caffeinated October 18, 2012 at 05:56 PM
YES!!!
Earl Higgins October 18, 2012 at 05:56 PM
HATH YOUR GOD LOWERCASE?
Rachel Walker October 18, 2012 at 06:34 PM
Who is justifying anything, Elizabeth? I ceded immediately that it's wrong and lamented the fact that not enough women go into politics and we are therefore appallingly underrepresented. They ALL need to get some binders. Of course I find it old fashioned that he specifically brought up dinner making when referring to working womens' needs. I'm married with children and my husband makes dinner as often as I do. He relies on flexible working conditions just as much as I do. I may find it ridiculous that Obama is not practicing what he preaches, but I have to look at the whole sermon. My reproductive rights have *everything* to do with my economic success. How do you think Romney's plea to employers to see women as reliable and equal and pay them the same squares with his Business Knows Best philosophy? I thought we weren't supposed to tell businesses how to run themselves. Ever. Romney was backed into signing a pledge to include women in a way that would reflect the population of Massachusetts during in his gubernatorial campaign. You called this "making it a point" to include women and I call it throwing a misleading spin on some political pressure he received at the time. I look at it through my lens, and perhaps you can be honest enough to admit that you do too.
Americaphile Freedom October 18, 2012 at 06:37 PM
"WHAT IS WHISPERED IN YOUR EAR, SHOUT [CAPSLOCK] FROM THE ROOFTOPS [THE INTERNET]!!!". ~ MATTHEW 10: 28.
RegalT62 October 18, 2012 at 08:17 PM
OK, something is up - I'm smiling at Elizabeth's post in addition to my usual smile at Caffeinated! WE MUST AGREE ON SOMETHING - even if it is those pesky nests of lesbians! LOL
RegalT62 October 18, 2012 at 08:27 PM
Elizabeth, my point was the role that control over childbearing has over women's economic development. In places where women have control over family planning decisions and access to contraceptives, those women have higher economic stability and earning power. Lower birth rates create better health for the mother and living children, better economic conditions and more independence for women. That is true in America as well - women know what they are capable of in terms of economically supporting children and are the best ones to dictate their childbearing rate and decision.
RegalT62 October 18, 2012 at 08:30 PM
Here is an interesting link: http://social.dol.gov/blog/myth-busting-the-pay-gap/ I admit to attributing the pay difference to women entering and leaving the work force to do family focused things - have children, caregiving to elderly family members, etc. but it appears that is not the case. Interesting read. Mitt's response was dated and out of touch - and very in line with his church's world view of the role of women in the world.
Americaphile Freedom October 18, 2012 at 08:44 PM
PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE FOR CAFFEINATED AND REGALT62!!!!: http://americaphile.wordpress.com/2012/10/08/piaps-%E2%99%A5-christina-aguileras-tits/ CHRISTINA IS TURNED ON TOO!!!!! http://americaphile.wordpress.com/2012/10/10/christina-to-piaps-i-want-to-be-on-your-team/
Caffeinated October 18, 2012 at 08:54 PM
EXCELLENT!! THANK YOU!!! I WILL INSPECT CLOSELY THIS EVENING
RegalT62 October 18, 2012 at 09:14 PM
ROFLOL!!!!

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